Trinny and Mia Freedman Talk Skincare and Smoky Eyes | Makeup Tutorial | Trinny
on your how old we are I didn’t even
speak to earlier and we are like we
didn’t Mia this is superb how are you
I’m very well class what is behind you
cuz it looks like sort of old covers of
magazine boxes or posters or something I
love doing you some sticking things on
the walls with gluta
and so there are the different logos
from our podcast
ah got it because I’ve decorated since
we’ve been doing ISO and I’ve set up my
home office properly I’ve sort of stuck
a whole bunch of things on walls
everywhere I’ve got my I’ve been meaning
to feel bad in it you know pictures and
then of course I’ve got the sequence oh
and I’ve got a small child
you’ve got she’s she really is I mean
this isn’t woman who knows how to layer
it on yeah and I think that’s how we’re
gonna age trainee don’t you think you
and I gonna look like I’m just already
looking for the alternative glasses
identification moment probably all
secrets but you know what I love about
her I mean she must now be ninety four
or five do you know existence before yes
I’ve always seen you know like in
magazines she was always kind of iconic
and so I always knew about her yeah no I
just I see so many women including my
own mum kind of lose their mojo and
think that they can’t have fun with
their clothes anymore yeah at night yeah
and I just think that’s bollocks
I know it’s Barry I mean she does
inspire but because she’s such a
phenomenal dresser and she’s so truly
the thing as well about iris which we
forget she has that best Jewish woman’s
figure which is endless legs
not much waist
endless legs strong features on her face
which when you’re older is what you
really seriously need tall and skinny
but I know a few of my of my Jewish
friends and have that thing of that
incredible leg and slightly short
waisted so the way she sometimes can go
be an apple when you get older can give
it up when you get older yeah but for
her with all that marabou and all that
sort of faux furry stuff that she was it
doesn’t matter hidden but she has it’s
her you know what it is it’s that
amazing ankle whenever she’s in the flat
shoe and she’s in the leg you see this
skinny beautiful ankle and I always
notice first what I don’t have like a
I’ve always had you know like I’m
dressed now this is my dress today okay
you can tell like already yeah thing
under my just gonna shake so I was just
doing a how to wear sequins in the
summer
this is Massimo Dutti jacket you could
just tell I am somewhat short legged I
have long body you can’t get this kind
of out is that if I wear this if I wear
this traveler too short I’m very aware
of the catalyzation
at the back of my leg it might seem so
little but we all have our thing so yeah
Iris Apfel would never have that she
like have that really elegant end end
ankle moment see I always do a cropped
ankle as well I’ve got my you can’t
really say I’ve got my camo pants on
yeah I’m not wearing shoes today I’ve
been very strict about shoes in a bra
during I say um but today wear it no but
I must wear it if I don’t have shoes in
a bra Ron I just don’t have my head
together you know okay yeah and so I
think getting quite dressed up for ISO
not usually this dressed up although
some days yeah we call it ISO in
Australia isolation do you call it back
no I call it staying safely at home yes
you do you don’t like will it lock down
so we call it I say and we call Corona
Verona the Rohnert right around other
Rona
you don’t want to get thrown out I saw
only the Australian you were
stress get away with you know Corona the
Rona because it’s like less money I am
went for drive today and yeah never in
my life seen Bondi Beach without one
person honest not not a single solitary
person on the beach during the water on
a beautiful autumn day but I heard they
were back swimming we’ve got an English
press that they’re back swimming in
Australia yes they well it’s this weird
weather so it’s been unseasonally warm
ok your visit Australia yes exactly
exactly it does get a little bit
everyone’s been very grumpy because they
in in the first week of the Rohner
if they said social distancing please
and then you probably saw all those
everybody down at Bondi yeah
Beach like very crowded and so then they
went ok this is why we can’t have nice
things we’re closing all the beaches and
then they had to say but you can still
exercise on the beaches so now they have
police down there they’re both in the
beaches recently to exercise but yeah
you can can’t stay for long like you
can’t sit on the sand you just have to
like yeah opening on Tuesday and you’re
gonna be allowed to surf but not some
day ok because my brother is on Bronte
anyway yeah yeah exactly so we don’t we
don’t like having our beaches closed a
lot of people have got very cross about
that I can understand because that’s
your lifeline
whilst we’re here darling I’m just doing
a tiny bit of stuff I keep bloody well
forgetting to do and then we’re gonna
take questions from the floor as me as
me
yeah ex excellent darling I’m gonna call
you back sorry I realized I can’t take
pictures unless as news off the phone so
what I want to do darling is I want you
to talk through your skincare routine or
what you’re doing yeah a little I wanted
the better one a blog for Glamis YouTube
channel I’m just pretending this is
another part day cuz I didn’t do enough
on the dares meant to do it so I’m just
gonna add us into that day ok
so if you haven’t had a shower yet will
you do all of this and then go and have
a shower and take it off and start again
no I won’t
have a shot and had a shower last night
so I feel like God you English people
you’re so funny to give showers I have
two showers a day darling I could so
have two shells day but I just I haven’t
got time after this to go and have a
shower okay
all right later now today I am always
fantastic Mia Friedman in Australia who
is the editor and founder of Mamma Mia
she was a youngest editor of Cosmo at 24
and she is a Diane of just the industry
and one of my favorite people when I go
visit in Australia so it’s lovely to
podcast we’re doing getting ready miss
is going on and getting ready we haven’t
even discussed any products but we’re
just doing it so I’m just going to carry
on before she gets way ahead of me I’ve
changed again I’m in Massimo Dutti
sequin jacket with a white Kasia and a
me and M trouser catch up later this is
so tedious to do anyway I’m
sorry you know a lot of them when is
when things get distracted for the main
event
so you’ve done loving I’m loving this
medic 8 incident you know what it is
well those something pelled just now but
I think I had two things on before I
came upstairs I don’t think this was the
Pella
oh I know what I mean when it gets like
little bits on your face yeah which I
which I absolutely hate but I think what
happened was I put something oily on top
of something water-based and then I put
something on again you always need to
put you always need to put um
water-based water based on their oil
based on top that’s my technique so I
think what I did is I did a really good
boil based cleanser but I didn’t take it
all off and then I put on this no I put
on a spray which I just got from
somebody but it must have had oil in it
then I put on this peptide serum it’s
peptides and copper I quite love copper
Mia
that sounds very fancy what cop is
something that I don’t need it
what’s it going to be introduced to
copper was one product from neon
part of the ordinary company
it was copper amino isolate and copper
the only I can best describe it acts as
a channel for other products to become
more active that’s the only way I can
describe it so well they’ve done here is
they’ve got copper in one channel and
they’ve got peptides in another so what
they’re doing is they’re giving a better
activation for peptides which are we the
rebuilding army of you know got a ton of
peptides now in skin but imagine such a
rebuilding army to go in and it’s like
that I mean I might runs really badly
but imagine that somebody is preparing a
pass for you in a war zone and then the
army are going in the copper is
preparing the path the army are the
peptides and I can’t be a little bit of
shiny face when you get to wearing I
feel like I didn’t sleep last night in
the air and there was some like a cat
opera going on outside my house there
were these cast opera I couldn’t figure
out it was it the cat opera or was it my
partner who was snoring really really
loudly who I don’t want to say stop
snoring because I don’t like doing it
and I did it with my ex-husband and I’d
end up kicking him in his Cleveland and
wake up and say why have I got these
bruises on my legs I almost like a child
suffered an ass in the last few days
don’t we I mean can we just that’s the
other reason I couldn’t say anything
it was just mere I mean I I can’t bear
it but it did I think even get to
Australia then oh yes yes yes I saw it
in the Daily Mail and not that I would
ever look at the Daily Mail says yes I
really because it’s like I’m like you I
have to make a whole lot of content at
home my husband even though he’s a CEO
my mayor and we co-founded the company
together he is very private yeah and he
does not ever want to be on any films in
any backgrounds more thing yeah and it
can be hard for our families because
we’ve chosen to be public like this but
they necessarily have it and so it can
feel I don’t know I always worry about
them feeling unsafe in in their
environment so it’s life sympathized and
I just thought oh man
because you
it is Charles’s house and although I
moved in five years ago it’s my home
but I’m very aware it’s not the home I
built with Charles it’s a home I moved
into so um I keep like upstairs here Mia
I keep my space and I do everything here
lies next door the kitchen is where we
all meet to eat in between that is where
Charles my lips Sir Charles plays table
tennis and when he’s playing table
tennis I go and do my skincare Q&A but
he came in early and I was doing it and
he on Saturday morning is very used to
me doing a film because I do Saturday
morning on on huge on it’s scrub and he
plays this incredible music for me yeah
fantastic case news so he does that and
my phone is on portrait so occasionally
he comes in brush his teeth and I never
go like this but for Wednesday’s Q&A
it’s on landscape and on Laska it’s like
efficient tough so you goes to the loo
and I’m I’m just putting the mask on and
I don’t know that he’s already naked on
the loo and then I catch sight I think
of him and I just do this with my bone
so we take it down straight away but I
must have a few journalists who watch my
feed so it then yeah that kicks away
makes elated he’s bossing nice so that
was nice detail so I haven’t seen
showers this morning yet and I think
he’s gonna know and yesterday I said to
him you know I just I need to let you
know that we took it down but I didn’t
say anything about press because I
didn’t know there’d be any press Charles
being very seasoned probably expected
there might be a band right okay so for
the grace of God go I yes everybody
because it’s not just us living our
lives like everybody everybody’s
everyone’s on Zune corpse
so everybody’s partners are wandering
their children wandering past with no
pants I mean it’s it’s yeah like that
isn’t it this is just what life is what
are you putting on this is where I need
your help so this is I put on makeup
that sometimes could be you and you’re
just like doing a normal makeup Oh cuz
I’m just I don’t know what to do so I
put on wisdom which I’m a complete
accessory yeah um and now I’m just sort
of doing you know you get stuck in a rut
so now just grab faith fortune instead
yes everything all right and I’m just
putting wisdom on his face it’s a great
base wisdom because very buildable and
fortune fortunately only one I don’t
have okay you don’t have fortune all
right darling
so if you’ve done nice to fortune much
close support you well desire in a
washout maybe yeah doesn’t matter but
what I would do fast Mia instead if
you’re going dare I say heavy-handed
with desire
keep with wisdom and I want you to build
up wisdom under your eye and create the
lightest and smokey eye liner because it
does build so you’re just gonna look up
and you’re gonna just put some in like
that and go although I’m gonna lose the
eyelash line okay you get a little bit
of definition okay using wisdom to do
that I thought it was true light well
the thing is it built up beautifully big
dumb words and it just gives you that
sort of slightly less strong oh I really
like that okay I know darling and we’re
gonna I’m gonna help you that cuz you’ve
got some things there I’m gonna show you
with you know what we can tell you do
you have to honor yeah
no gold stanza the bronzer no I’ve got
jester and I’ve got some much much okay
alright so I’m gonna hold on I’m gonna
call as me because I want to add this to
the list cuz I’m gonna just see what you
got to get so had anything so when
you’ve done the under eye like this and
you’ve don’t you fight it’s gonna be too
big so y’all want you to smudge it in
with that little T hit brush yeah like
that
okay just smudge it in say
doesn’t matter it’s going downhill okay
that all right like that
now you say you’ve got faith have you
got Queen yes okay let’s just go to a
little bit of Queen I think that could
be interesting great but we’re gonna
build up Queen gently gently
all right it’s a tiny bit of Queen just
not gonna corner of your eye don’t you
go out so you’re gonna go in here just
there okay only up to the birds life
just that much up to the one bird’s eye
up to the middle the croissant inside
from the inside up to the middle don’t
don’t go further
well that’s great I never need these
okay all right like that then I’m not
used to get we haven’t cleaned it all up
yet okay and then I want you to get the
face that you liked you like face don’t
you do you have they don’t know I’m just
reach for it cuz it feels safe darling
do you have desire though or only faith
no I don’t have desire okay so we could
take space we can take faith yet take
faith and make a little eyeliner in
which you were doing here at the top
faith yeah with the pointy one I swear
to God I had to do so much trouble so
after we met and we you had a cry and I
we just fell in love yeah I got on and
did match to me and ordered pretty much
everything and ordered more and more
Christmas and I had to travel a lot last
year a PSA oh saved me and I was doing a
lot of stage shows we do our podcast
live yeah and to be able to just have
the pots in my travel kit with just a
dream
fantastic darling and also the taken
instead of bloody five brushes which I
hate you only I know so I want you to
take
face on your finger no yes a ring right
this is a ray Morris brush you’ve got to
get it’s this curved it’s like I don’t
know what it’s called darling that’s the
size of my thumb yeah but it’s slightly
curved yeah let’s take the wide yeah
that’s good cause Ray was telling me
this last week and you must don’t stop
with great but just I they’ll close my
eye and I push it up into my overhanging
aging Haggard I just to lift it up and
it just rounds my eye so I push that in
there and you can do that with our
darker bronzer as well we’re gonna clean
this off and blend it in a minute but
we’re just putting on I did it with face
but what I did darling is I put some
teeth on and then I really rubbed it out
on my hands not on pressing up I’ll try
to do that with my finger and pretend
it’s Ray’s brush yeah exactly well you
know it should be up to do with your
finger but the whole thing when you’re
with your fingers you feel you’re
pushing it up yeah around your brow bone
we don’t have to repeat eyelids though
my eyelids are drooping so much that
they’re soon gonna be resting on my
eyelashes okay if you were looking
straight ahead whenever I get makeup put
the camera up yeah I know a quad keeps
flopping down okay but if I put the
camera up it helps me to yeah you know
just putting it like that angle it
really helps me doing my makeup so what
I’m gonna do now darling do you have any
um BFF eye oh god yes which color do you
have I’m not Mary and I’ve got red eye
okay I want you to use Mary Mary I need
you to write down that I do this little
combination my eye
normal get under eye is probably redder
but when I’m pale in the way in the
winter light now I go to Mary
alright so what are you doing your
fingers I just want mine in my hair oh
that’s perfect white yours in your do
that and it helps also cover the grains
look Betsy tasking
I’ve never heard it before and I want to
be doing it every day I want to do it
okay so are you I just marvelous so I’m
gonna take now I’ve got Mary here – okay
yeah what I do is I do Mary for under my
eye an idea for the edges now is he is
paler and it’s too pale for you so you
need to do the equivalent redder here
already but you’re gonna do Mary here oh
where are you gonna do it you need to
look at me please look at me first
caller so you take in your little middle
fingers and then you just do your little
under eye like that
okay yeah weird Lund I tacking it in and
then get the lighter shades in your
finger I think I’m out of these too much
and I’ve got easy so get the light shade
get Mary this is the key I can help us
okay and then look at how much this is
going down here and it’s a little bit
yeah you know it’s just it’s just it’s
dragging my eye down there yeah away
yeah yeah yeah
so I want to lift my eye on so I’m gonna
get so get the UM that was great huh
Mary yes yes I’ve got Mary which is
larger fantastic okay get those I’m
doing this up here I’m gonna show you
I’m gonna show you I’m gonna show you
one second sir you’re gonna start just
like you press it at an angle the angle
you want to get rid of the under-eye and
then you just go up like this and it’s
like you’re inside a really good lifted
I like that okay so it just gets rid of
all especially in that little Creasy bit
where we’re not young enough to do the
smoky eye look we need to clean it up
any bit that suddenly got carried away
further up the eye you can get rid of
but it just aren’t my words yeah I did
that first probably with Ray Morris in
October I when I saw yeah and I just
done it every cent ever since as me are
you there okay great okay if there’s any
questions at this
keeps asking question we’re not
answering before we go on to blusher or
should we do mascara first oh I didn’t
even bring my mascara
okay I’m gonna join scar I’m gonna show
you one on trying on one eye and another
one on another eye and you tell me which
is best yeah I love that
hey can you bring me my mascara what’s
the point of children if they don’t
fetch things for you honey can you get
me a nurse Kara I also call my daughter
bunny it’s very funny oh I love that
okay this is honest company so there’s
like a pre thing and a post yeah so I’m
gonna do that here so you put this on
everything like is that like so what is
it like a primer for your lashes it’s a
primer for your lashes I think it’s all
a bit of but it says lash
primer so I put that are you finding
with you with your real lashes I tell
you what I’ve been doing a lot of is I
do side and three nails at night I do
superior hair from Victoria health two
pills a night I do revitalash which
sometimes makes my under eye blue and I
do castor oil i slather on your
eyelashes well slather my eyelashes my
eyebrows and my nails in Castrol at
night really I just think they need
hydration now I’m using mascara right I
need hydration so I’m gonna cost this
Zoe Gannett kicks an Australian branch
zuy you’re gonna okay great I’m happy to
see what it’s like I’ve been really
liking it I’ve also been trying this and
Rimmel one deluxe volume but I have
trouble with volume because I don’t have
eyelash extensions I find that the
volume ones can get a bit clumpy
anything that says the word volume in it
yeah I mean because I’ve got no eyelash
extensions left I my eyes aren’t my
eyelashes are growing okay but I’ve got
another one here how are you feeling
about you think I would have any Botox
and stuff I think I just heard it done
like a week before I went in so it
should last for three months four months
I
I have boats probably actually I’d be
five months oh so you’ve got plenty of
time
now the other little trick is to go
that’s amazing but to go into these tiny
little bits right in here with the end
of your lash and you’ll find there’s
some extra lashes you can pick up just
going in here and sometimes I get the
eye sometimes I get it in my eyebrow
okay so I mean in my eye like yeah I do
it takes a bit of time doing that bit
and do you still curl your lashes I used
to madly curl my lashes in the 90s that
I can’t be bothered anymore so can’t be
bothered I picked up lashes Lila’s
eyelash curler the other day yeah just
can’t be sucked but I do put on my brows
you what I won’t talk about you I won’t
talk to you about brows in a minute oh
yes I’m gonna talk to you about brows
I’m just looking your brows Mia we’re
gonna do a brow moment okay let me see
your back okay look I’ve also just given
up going to anyway so I dyed them with
my eye
yeah can you I think in the middle
you’ve got a bit of brown bit maybe it’s
a bit Brown bit though oh no I think
it’s POG okay okay fine so
darling some scarring like garlic so
when I look at you yeah one one thing
that I want to be able to do is to not
make my brows follow around my eye
because it would give my eye more of an
overhang okay so there’s a little
technique and I just wonder if you’ve
got you’ve got faithful desire you have
Emperor please okay pick up Emperor we
got only burning desire questions
darling Esme alright so this is really
dark but I
you to do this one yes picking up
Emperor which is a very neutral drop
Brown I want you to pick it up in your
tea kit angled brush yeah okay
and put snuff on it put put stuff in it
yeah then I want you to pass it on your
hands you don’t go mad yeah and then
what I want you to do is change the
shape of your brows because you’re
nothing of doing your brow is to go up
and the down and I want you to try and
make your brows straighter which means
you have a bit more above here above
that bit and you’re going to put a bit
more underneath here it’s like when
you’re straightening out of line huh oh
she I just know I love a finger out I
love a big brown yeah and don’t go down
again I want you to try and go straight
out so your tendency is to follow it
down so even though it wants to go down
it’s nice that maybe goes a bit
straighter out oh that’s not where my
eyebrows even if you’re adding a bit on
to your brow from fine isn’t it it’s
really I know it is I know it is I know
but we’re just you know like I’ve got
I’m leaving I’m leaving a trail with the
phone but we want to give a general
feeling of this we do so it’s about
going up at the top and just all the
time thinking how can I make them
straighter and not going down right and
not going on better and the other thing
we are coming close because you were a
compulsive trucker in the 80s so this
ground I think is – it could go in a
little bit so you can just take a little
bit in you can just go in a tiny bit
just to the bottom well just go in a bit
because like the distance between the
bridge of your nose and when you pass is
a little
bit far but instead of going down go out
of it cross across okay don’t go down
okay yeah but go in a tiny bit more
across just like straight in like going
straight that’s a good color to use for
brows actually especially now that my
hair is this ridiculous dark color I
mean world ridiculous color than it’s
just you know you’re not lightening it
so it is the color and then I’ve using a
little I’m using talika eyelash
conditioner just to kind of train the
back now the other thing me I want to do
with you are you ready
I’m gonna get you to get ready because
the inside of because you have a
fabulous nose you have more opportunity
to feel your dark circle is in here more
than Yaya so that’s why you can be
healed dog so I want my coat a sweater
I want you to take better with you know
light redder and Starlight and I want
you to mix them together and I’d have
style I I thought I had everything
Trinity very very afternoon
do you have three but I don’t have it in
front of me I definitely have that you
because what I think doing is that you
is putting it in here
exactly alright yeah so do you have Sun
I think yeah I do too is that if I got a
stack of trinny products somewhere
around I think they might have been in
the kitchen for some unknown reason well
we always like them could maybe so if we
get to find just in here right
you just put something right young the
idea is to get your kind of I shade and
I do this with a fuzzy brush because my
fingers too big and you can mix it with
you could mix it with virtue or
starlight alright
I can’t tell you anything you have my
fingers in irradiance and then I just go
in there like that I point a bit in yeah
and then I point a bit in there just to
left that internal dark eye because a
lot of people’s under eye when they said
to have dark circles is that and then
you give it some reflection and it
really helps got it got it
wonderful needed a bit more Amelia I
mean I’ve got my Amelia just attached I
wonder if I should be using and fun I
should really use a bit more of that
well you can use a little bit more if
you want to play with your Amelia next
we’re gonna do sit we’re gonna go onto
blush with sunlight you’ve got sunlight
darling haven’t you I don’t cry Claire
have you found that stat really annoying
so you know I don’t wear these there’s a
bag in my dressing room it’s in there
darling
I carry lug how old is cocoa 14 and a
half oh it’s cocoa cocoa that’s great
that’s why she’s been so helpful
is she all my friends with train and
chain daughters ah you found it your
dream you’re come and say hi are you off
school cocoa bunny are you off school
yeah we’re going back next week so are
you the girl you went I have no school
are you the girl who went oh my god my
grades kind of both but mostly the first
one I know your secret study and I
respect you for that
we’re going I so for so long all my
friends weed them with train and ten
girls have been giving their moms
about drinking wine so I spoke to one of
my friends and she was having a fight in
here her daughter and Jordison what are
you go downstairs and drink one that’s
what you’re best at okay okay
ouch what do you have okay I found out
you
don’t you about sunlight so let you in
there and then I want you to mix what do
you have Sascha today no you don’t okay
so as me will you remember Sascha
um okay do you have sluggy yes brilliant
okay so like beam guard
it’s like Trini bingo okay so we’re
gonna use shrug in a slightly different
way I hope for you so what I want you to
do is start off with Snooki like this
yes and just dab it on your lip
okay yeah then I want you to take sugar
with a little bit of sunlight this is
exciting I’ve never done this before
take sunlight yes and take sluggy yes
and make sure you’ve got a mushy
shimmery thing and then we’re gonna go
mozi fingers do that best thing is those
things those fingers I just dad whining
in okay and then we’re just gonna start
blushing but high-blood
slightly high 90s blushing we’re gonna
have that shimmer maybe yeah around in
circles so we get adding some shimmer to
the blush oh and then we’re gonna take
some light on its own yeah we’re gonna
go over the top I’m just gonna put a bit
up here yeah okay go for it I mean you
gotta talk with with sunlight yeah just
over the top and over the top of the of
the arch of the cheekbone the top and
then do you have Maddie or do you have
what do you have a select low ah gosh
I’ve got talus I’ve got lots of she
shimmers I wanna share some Ricordi
Gordian life yes you could do actually
look at me
which one let me see I would do a bit of
Lila I would do a bit of liner with that
and I will just do the same cuz
otherwise lion would be so upset that I
wouldn’t do Lila cuz I want to see my
look together I would generally do
Maddie but I’m gonna do Lila what colors
Maddie Maddie is like a really soft pink
but I think there’s something nice about
the life of Lila but there’s Maddie and
there’s Lila together Connor okay
I was a little bit I’m sorry Maddie’s a
little bit like Dino potatoes got the
shimmer exactly yeah
and dinars bit brighter Maddy’s a kind
of very nice neutral pale pinky blush
and then it is very nice bitch take the
very last bit of your blusher and put it
on the bit of your cheek and take the
very very last bit and just put it on
the ball of your eye I love the taste
and the smell of Lila I know it’s a good
one it’s sort of Melanie delicious yeah
it’s what am i oniy yeah and then we
didn’t do contour do you have contour
there no I’m intimidated by contour I
can’t okay well you know I’m gonna show
you something Mia well and this is for
later and I’m just gonna show you what
to do so I’m gonna I’m as me I want to
get to via some Kate and Swala
it’s the wrong color for you you should
be swallow so this is Kate asar contour
which is scary
oh yes yes I I never knew how to use
that okay I do you have Kate no not okay
and then swallow is on blazer so smaller
it’s a bronzer does this so if I want to
look a little bit of tan I rub that in
and I just get a really natural lovely
turn like that yeah yeah but when I do
contour now I take a little bit of Swala
and a little bit of Kate and then I mix
it in my finger together okay and I want
this just to be like shadow and then I
start at my outer hairline yeah and I’ve
got rid of most of the products in there
and then I do yeah and I don’t go down
here so I go up litchi to where my
cheekbones about to go over and then at
the end I do slightly up so I’m doing
like a J I like up here like a Jade
that’s like that okay yeah yeah and then
what it does is and then at the very end
this is another bloody trick that but um
that madam Ray taught me is I take my
trench on or something
and then in case I’ve gone too far down
here I just you go underneath so that I
make sure wherever I’ve decided contour
it’s just in the area of the contour
okay so he’s would that be my just
attaching immediately I was a you’re a
man you just do Amelia like that he’s
Santa lighter or darker than Amelia it’s
darker so Santa’s your summer foundation
Amelia Santa is your yes
summer summer foundation and amelia is
your winter foundation okay and then do
you have miracle blur I do okay so how I
finished with miracle blur is I go to
where I have a few scars and I fill them
in and when I’m scars and shininess can
I use it on my Elevens because yuen-han
you’ve got barrel ovens I usually tap it
in push it in near-real-time in and then
just tap it and blend it out and then
you can rub it but that way it will fill
in the 11 yes so like my hands go here
but you can scan my sorry up so if I tap
it inserts like that yeah and then I
blend out and that’s not a scar that’s a
pimple no here for me no I know but I’m
just thought I thought maybe I had a
scar and it’s okay it’s a pimple yeah
and then around my nose where I’m got
two larger pores I’ll put it do you have
face finish with you yes
so the difference really between face
finish and and miracle blur is for face
finish it’s it’s like absorbing the oil
so I sometimes do this with faces I take
a bit of my finger yes
then I put it on my hand and then I clip
my finger and I love it with the product
so I’ve got a decent amount and then I
just tap well it’s the difference
between doing that and just having a
mush around the pot I get more product
on my finger and you know then I will
really tone down any show
angry to tone down shine and so if I
want to like around my nose I maybe just
want shine you know here but I like love
that shine but I might just go in here
with the face finish and turn down the
shine and then on my chin do you think
shine is nice on the cheeks
I think shine is divine on the cheeks
cuz I think it makes you think when I
look at women with shine on the cheeks I
think oh my god what’s your skincare
routine it looks amazing the ads but I
think – yeah oh yeah right now with that
combination of the of the highlighter
mixed with your blusher your skin is
really woken up me up and it dies like
you’re wearing a lot of makeup start
stoked darling we need to we’ve just
been having a natter like nobody else is
there so will you just throw us some
questions darling with your young memory
that can remember questions from 10
minutes ago
shiny yeah well isn’t that convenient
Mia come he told me because this is the
week near where I’m talking about I
start this on Monday and I haven’t done
much since but tomorrow just about women
who might be in the middle of kovat and
they are thinking do I want the career
when I come out that I have right now
don’t want to change my hairdryer change
my lifestyle don’t want to go back to
that boss do I want to be an
entrepreneur okay so I’d love your words
of wisdom on this in terms of you know
we could I could give an example of
three different three different people I
could say to you the one I think is most
challenged right now is the girl who’s
left senior school or uni so the girls
I’ve seen in school who doesn’t want to
go to uni and the girl is of uni who
hasn’t made me have the opportunities
normally set up although I think schools
have been good to give work placements
so you know how to go about getting a
job if you
if you want to go within our field I’m
not gonna say if you want to be a doctor
mere cuz you and I aren’t in the
positions talk about that but one night
you know if you how do you hire people
on what basis and how do they get to be
able to sit in front of you for a job I
tell you it’s funny there’s someone who
we hired recently as an editorial
assistant and uh we don’t usually take
interns at Mamma Mia but somehow I think
she just called up and said I’ll do
anything and we needed to pack a whole
load of gift bags for our live shows
yeah and her name’s Emma and I you know
it’s like when you’re in the office and
there’s a lot of people in and out and
there was just something about her she
introduced herself to me and and she was
packing gift bags and I just knew I just
knew that she was gonna stick around and
then over the next few months every time
I looked up she’d be be like she’d just
be doing something or filling in for
someone or and sure enough when when an
editorial assistant position became
available we offered her the job and yes
he just told me recently this was about
a few months ago she just told me
yesterday that um she had mum Mia on her
vision board from when she was in high
school about where she wanted to work
and I was very much the same with
magazines I worked for a magazine called
Clio and it was always my dream to be
there too and I just showed up I just
waited you know I I did work experience
and I kept coming back and back and I
think do you know what I don’t care
about I don’t care about where you went
to school I don’t care about what you
got in your leaving exams and I don’t
care if you’ve got a degree or not I
don’t care about any of those things
there’s never been a better time to be
discovered than now because once upon a
time it was all about who you knew and
how you could get in front of someone
how on earth could you get the notice of
an editor or someone that you wanted to
work for now particularly in our area
which is content you can create social
content or create content that can get
you noticed more easily than ever before
and in terms of the women who are coming
out of you know or looking around after
Corona and
what do I want to do I think that what
we find is that the number one reason
that women start their own businesses
and I know this is true for me and maybe
it was true for you as well trainee is
that we want control of our own destiny
and our own hours and it’s not that we
don’t want to work hard but we want to
be in charge of our own time and all the
surveys show that even more than money
women having that flexibility
particularly after they become mothers
means that you know they don’t have to
do that walk of shame anymore I used to
always do that walk of shame when I
worked in a TV station and I would have
to like I was breastfeeding my daughter
and I would have to leave before all the
male executives and I’d pretend that I
was on a phone call and I’d leave my my
bag in my car at lunchtime and I’d sneak
to the lift pretending I was on my way
to a meeting and then I duck into my car
and I Drive away
of course the be on line for three or
three more hours that night after my
daughter going to sleep but that idea of
the walk of shame that you have to do
often as a mother that’s a really big
motivating factor and I think a lot of
people have seen the flexibility that
they’ve enjoyed working from home I mean
there’s going to be some bright sides to
this right and that might be a really
big impetus for people to consider a
career change not to mention the fact
that lots of industries just have been
decimated and people have to find a new
career exactly I think what you said
about controls very trusting what’s a
couple days ago and it’s its control of
how you work but it’s also control of
the outcome because when you arrest of a
boss it’s always that final decision you
might have a creative idea you really
thought we’ve had had some weight and
somebody else squashed it or you know we
can be in that position to where
somebody who’s working with us might be
I think is fantastic we say no we don’t
think it is that’s the yeah the
responsibility and the benefit of being
the boss and working out which ones are
flying which ones won’t and not being
too pricking of people’s passion of
their own project so I think there’s a
real public responsibility so you move
from being in control but then what that
brings is the the future of some
destinies of some people’s careers and
also and being able to control the
culture the
yeah as a boss I mean that’s been one of
the things I know I found most wonderful
and I’m sure you would say the same you
know being able to decide things like at
MoMA Mayer for example we don’t support
the paparazzi economy in any way so we
could make more money and get more
traffic if we publish paparazzi photos
but we’re a purpose-driven media company
and our purpose is to make the world a
better place for many girls so we choose
unlike what our competitors do not
publish any photos of celebrities that
aren’t taken with that permission
because I know you would know more than
anyone how paparazzi makes people’s
lives miserable and it’s incredibly
intrusive particularly for women yeah I
think I agree to that
yeah so it’s lovely is it us to be able
to establish that kind of culture yeah
now what would you say to a woman whose
kids have left home and she’s thinking I
want to work again on I don’t know how
on earth to start identify want to work
myself I know you know ageism yes toffee
and I did a whole thing on tranny London
before Christmas of just doing a day in
life – in London we had quite a few
people at the end saying I’m in my late
40s early 50s can I come and apply for a
job for you all right and this to me is
the hardest thing because when you are
that age you’ve got to have the
timelessness and Aegeus nough cebause
you to work in a business like ours we
have to both be that we have to
understand the the zeitgeist of the
moment but also understand inside the
head of 20 year old as we understand
inside the head of a 50 or 60 or 70 old
woman and I for me I sometimes look and
I think you know I look around my team
mire and they all are much younger than
me we have the head of customer services
cherrylle who’s in my decade and my CEO
just join my decade but you know we
market to a lot of women of my age so
I’m the only one with Gerald only who’s
responsible to understand what goes on
inside the head and my social media team
is much younger so my biggest education
for them is to you know really make sure
you’re speaking to everyone because
we’re an ageist fan but I want to speak
to your mum’s and your
and get a sense of what they want really
understand because what you want if we
did everything of how a social media
executive feels and thinks we wouldn’t
have a business because it would just be
happenin to milk or glossy and we’re not
milk or glossy oh so I don’t you think
that’s why it’s so important to have I
mean diversity and inclusion in all its
forms is really important differences
within your business yeah I’m not just
because it’s the right thing to do but
because it’s also smart business it’s
also smart business to have different
generations and it’s really really
important and we’re the same we have
because we’re a digital media company
we’ve got mostly young people mostly
mimetic Millennials and Jim’s ads yeah
but it’s really crucial you know the
head of content and me we’re both you
know late 40s
we’re both 48 actually and we’re the
oldest in the company apart from my
husband
and someone else but it’s really
important to have that balance because
we we do our live shows you know for a
podcast and we have three generations of
women coming the grandmothers the
mothers and the daughters yeah we’re
like and unless you want to be really
really mesh and that you know if you
want to do that that’s great but mummy
is like Trinity London in that we are
for boomers Millennials and Gen Z yeah
you need people within your organization
to represent that in the same way that
you need people of different sexualities
different socioeconomic backgrounds
different nationalities all of those
things yeah exactly
it is customers are you know yeah yeah I
like I just am aware Mia when we come
out of this it’s like I will be looking
for how can we include more women who
but also they’re women you know because
we’re entrepreneurs and serial
entrepreneurs you’ve got to have a lot
of energy as a woman because I am eight
years older than you to work as hard as
your millennial team your millennial
team their brains my wake up by only 11
o’clock but they work late they work
hard they all work bloody hard all of
them
so it’s interesting and it’s something I
permanently I’m thinking about Mia
because I do want to have more women of
all different ages in my business um and
sobriety do you know the advice I’d give
to older women who
all women who are just you know thinking
they might in a few years
yay across stay across media
so even the own eye we’ve got daughters
who are antique talk it’s not our
platform but it’s really important that
we understand tick-tock and how it works
and what it is oh yeah oh I don’t
understand that I don’t know yeah so I
always try these things even if I decide
the platform’s not for me it’s not for a
PC this like snapchat
yeah he’s designed to be very
inhospitable to old people oh yeah
you still need to have that curiosity
and that ability to go fast because
every business is a digital business in
2020 whether you’re you know an age care
provider or or selling lipstick or or
media whatever you want maybe your
component and a digital component to
every business now yeah
and a lot of those social media
components depending on business they
are will need to know how to get to
women in their 40s and 50s who are on
social media so the more that you know
and what you do and the tools you use
and how you use it yeah the more helpful
you will be that kind of company so I
think that is really solid advice Mia
that’s great yeah darling I think we’re
going to have to stop soon because I
have two minutes before before Instagram
I’ll actually cut it off which is sorry
but I want to say it as ever such a joy
I know sorry I’m multitasking I know it
sounds weird I’m focusing on you tiny
but I have if I don’t I know I’m like
I’m so I apologize if I was doing
this a bit but you know I’m just me you
a my head is with you um so I love
talking to me I really hope that you
know this has started a conversation
maybe monthly we can just have a a live
chat you know from one point to another
yeah about what’s going on without a
shadow of the doubt and I’m such a fan
you know I think it’s important to say
that I’ve bought every single one of
these products
that’s so much I believe in what you’re
doing and such a big fan and go you
thank you so much darling have a
wonderful night
you too darling bye-bye bye-bye
you
